Of permanence and self

Says Dogen Zenji, in "Shobogenzo [Treasury of the Eye of True Dharma": "If one examines the 10,000 things with a deluded mind and body, one will suppose that one's mind and body are permanent. But if one practices intimately and returns to the true self, it will be clear that the 10,000 things are without self."

And, Dzigar Kongtrul says in "It's Up to You": "The experience of emptiness is not found outside the world of ordinary appearance, as many people mistakenly assume. In truth, we experience emptiness when the mind is free of grasping at appearance."